HMO Regulations In A Nutshell

I own my ground floor flat, but the two properties above me are rental investments, and frequently have a high level of occupants. Is there a statutory maximum occupancy for rental properties and if so where do I get this information from, so I can ascertain whether these are in fact over crowded?

Thank you, Gaby

Hi Gaby,
This is a difficult question and depends upon the interpretation by the local council of the HHSRS (Housing Health and Safety Rating System) that was introduced recently.

Over-crowding does come into play as one of the 29 hazaards but its only one of many.

If the two properties are held on seperate titles and thus are not HMO’s, then it may be possible that the landlord is letting out rooms in the properties. The difficulty here is that there are no specific “overcrowding” issues that come into play in terms of maximum occupancy for rental properties of this nature. If they were licenced HMO’s (which you can find out from your local council), then there would be a maximum permitted level of occupants.

May’be you could talk to the landlord if the occupancy is causing you any issues in terms of noise pollution?

regards
Matthew

I have house

Ground floor : Lounge , bedroom with ensuite and kitchen

1st floor: 2 double bedrooms and a bathroom

I have two students on single tenency agreement, share of bills, lounge kitchen
Is this a HMO
Thanks
Ace

Hi Ace, yes it is a HMO but if they are sharing the full facilities and living together, then the council would probably class it as a shared house. At the very least, you should ensure that you have fire alarms on both floors, heat detector in kitchen and fire blankets/extinquishers. The council generally won’t want anything more than this but check their website anyway.

Matthew,

If a large 3 storey house is owned by a landlord and subdivided into a combination of one bed self contained and bedsit flats is this difined as a HMO or flats

Hi Mark, this depends on what you are doing. A HMO is where 2 or more unrelated people share a property. If you have both bedsits and flats, it could be a HMO but there isn’t enough information to make a judgement I’m afraid.

We are purchasing a house that has an HMOC and is currently let to students. We are buying the house in order to let the property to our doughter and four friends from September. Do I now need to apply for a HMOC in our name or does the certificate normally transfer with the property. How often do you need to renew (if at all) the HMOC?

Many thanks for anu advice

Regards.

Carole Riley

Carole, I take it by HMOC you mean it has a licence? If so, unforunately you will have to apply for a new licence! Sorry. (and yes, what a money spinner eh?)

Hi There

I currently rent my only house out to a single tenant under the usual short term tenancy agreement. She asked if she could have a paying guest and I agreed. Her guest has subsequently applied for housing benefit and now the council think I have a multi-occupancy property and want me to pay the Council tax etc. I have sent them copies of the tenancy agreement which is really clear regarding the fact that my tenant has full access to the house and is solely responsible for all bills etc. However they won’t back down. Are they right, what can I do next? Please note the guest was paying her not me, I have no arrangement with the guest at all.

Thanks

Steve

Hi Steve, if you take a look at the “council tax” post, then I answer this in some detail. I doubt that you are responsible but you may need to write certain letters to them in order to make this happen.

regards
Matthew

Matthew,

Just read your article with some interest. Myself and 4 friends are renting a property with 3 floors. Our land lady is slightly dubious and when discussing this with friends they mentioned the licensing situation and suggested we check it out.
We are obvioulsy keen to make sure that everything we are doing is completely legitimate, and we’re not convinced she has a license – which by your description sounds like it would be required. We intend to enquire regardless, but what would be the implications of her not having one, both for her and for us?

JC

Hi JC,
thanks for your message. I understand why you may wish to remain annonymous but really it’s not all that bad!

Personally I always like to give everybody the benefit of the doubt so I would ask your landlady to get onto my website and ensure that she has implemented the correct HMO regulations for your property. As you don’t say whether you are renting as a single “househould” or individual “household”, it is slightly different depending on what part of the country you are in. But I would always take the soft subtle approach and say “hey, we’ve heard about HMO licencing and you should check out this website to ensure that you are doing what you meant to be”. Give it a week and if nothing happens, then I would speak to the council.
But be aware, it could be costly on both sides as you could end up being evicted and she could end up being fined.

hi,

please define:

3 storey house, 3 tenants, one AST (does this need a licence or just usual fire doors/hard wired alarm/fire blanket/extinguisher)

2 storey house, 3 tenants, one couple not married and a friend, (is it hmo? does it need fire doors etc)

2 storey house, 2 tenants, 1 permitted occupier, (as above but only 2 tenants paying rent, 3 living there, HMO?? fire doors etc needed?)

2 storey house, 4 tenants made up of 2 couples, hmo? fire doors etc?

Just trying to get my head round it all, help appeciated

regards

john.

sorry actually got one more question:

By what I have read, you do not need to get somebody out to inspect your property even if you are renting as an HMO but to less than 5 people be it a 2 or 3 storey house? is this right? of course you need to adhere to rules and regs.

2 storey house, 3 tenants, = rules/regs but no visit????

3 storey house 3 tenants = rules/egs but no visit????

3 storey house 4 tenants???

3 storet and 5 tenants = license, rules/regs and visit????

thanks in advance again.

john

John, this is not a two minute answer. The best thing I can suggest is to contact your local council as it does differ slightly from area to area. Otherwise if you want more in-depth information, then please book a call through our office.

Hi Matthew Moody,

I am having a few problems with an estate agent who does not have a HMO licence. We are looking at renting an 8 bedroom farm house which is 3 storeys. The occupants there would be My father in law, My two brothers in law, my wife, and my two children. I would consider us to be classed as one household as we are all family. There would be one person who pays the rent. Unfortunately the estate agent will not allow us to rent the property as he says he does not have the correct licences.
Do you think that he would need a HMO licence for our circumstances?

Thanks
Leigh

Hi Matthew

I understand the concept of HMOs in it’s simplest terms ie. each tenant has his / her own room with shared bathroom and kitchen facility

However, I have noted that some landlords have taken a “step up” and have converted letting rooms into studios ie each room includes a small kitchen area and a shower room (although there could be a shared bathroom)

In your opinion is there a significant extra return from this type of HMO to warrant the extra expense……..notwithstanding that letting rooms would need to be somewhat bigger anyway, hence a bigger property would be needed for the same number of tenants

Also, what is the minimum size room you would expect to see for a standard HMO letting room?

Thanks, Peter

Hi Matt,
Come across you online first time today. Thanks for your information. I’m in a position where 2 years ago I couldn’t sell family home so moved an let out. I’ve recently discovered by browsing online that I require a mandatory HMO license because of an attic bedroom. I was innocently letting out on one joint AST to 7 adults who are all friends thinking this made the situation HMO exempt. I’ve decided to install heat alarm, extingushers, fire blankets. I currently have a wired mains smoke alarm system installed in 2005 on all 3 floors. Re. fire doors, I have read elsewhere that each room requires a fire door OR fire escape such as an opening window for this purpose – the house is fully double glazed with large windows in every room which open wide for fire escape purposes. Therefore would I really need fire doors or is this something I would need to negotiate with the council about? The house is part new and part modernised so would be a shame to make these changes to what is effectively a large family home which I would like to sell as such in a few years time…..
Paula

Paula, yes you’ll need fire doors throughout the building – especially if its 3 storeys and 7 rooms!! You’ll need a fire panel as well as emergency lighting.

If the property has more than 5 people and is more than 3 storeys but is a hostel my understanding is that mandatory HMO Licencensing is NOT required. Is that correct?

Alan, all depends on the local council interpretation of the HMO regulations. Technically, its a different type of HMO with different rules but you’d need to prove that its a hostel…

Hi there,
me and my two friends are looking to rent a flat. We all are guys and studying at the same uni.
The flat is on first floor, has 3 double bedrooms, huge corridors, a spacious kitchen and a big living room.
Everything seems ok, but my friends would like to have their girlfriends living together. It is ok with me, but will the council let to live two couples and one person in a flat like this?

Thanks,
Domantas

I have a house with four bedrooms, drawing room, sitting room, large kitchen diner with aga and two electric ovens, laundry room with washing maching, dryer and dishwasher, sink, cupboards etc. it is mainly on one floor with two of the bedrooms and bathroom on first floor. All rooms on ground floor have french windows. I currently let to 4 students who share a tenancy agreement and are jointly and severally liable. Do I need permission for a multiple occupancy? Have been letting this house since 2006

Hi – I am purchasing a Top floor 2 bed flat in a 4 storey (including lower ground floor) Victorian townhouse: my survey has classed the flat as being on the 3rd floor ( i’m assuming they do not count the Lower ground). My question is if I was to rent the flat out would i need to build a fire escape? I have heard that rented flats on the 4th floor and above of a building must have a fire escape. Is this true and would a fire officer class my flat as being on the 3rd or 4th floor – do they also not count the Lower ground floor when assessing ?
Many thanks

hi James,
typically the fire officers are looking for a protected route out of the building. SO would want to see call points on each floor and a fire system and a staircase that is protected to at least 30 minutes fire resistance. As to fire escapes – do you see them on brand new 20 high towers nowadays? Not generally but give your fire service a call to ask their advice.

What is the HMO requirement for the following.

5 people sharing
2 habitable stories
Basement (storage, meters etc only), Attic (not converted… storage only)

Thanks

Steve

Hello,

I am a prospective tenant and a landlord just got back to me after taking my deposit, stating that he doesn’t want to rent to me because I will be the 5th tenanat in the property so he’s putting it back to four tenants so that he won’t have to register it as an HMO. He also said that the house will be devalued if registers it as an HMO. The house is 3 storeys, doesn’t he have to register it as an HMO anyway?

Do HMO houses really devalue?

Thanks!

I have a two floor house (ground floor and first floor which has four bedrooms shared bathroom and kitchen) for four tenants. . I have been recently inspected by local council house improvement team and told verbally I need smoke detectors in every room heat detectector and fire blanket. I have made the improvement but they recently came back with more requirements. What do I do?

I have a two floor house (ground floor and first floor which has four bedrooms shared bathroom and kitchen) for four tenants. . I have been recently inspected by local council house improvement team and told verbally I need smoke detectors in every room heat detectector and fire blanket. Also fire doors on every bedroom and stairway. I have made the improvement but they recently came back with more requirements. What do I do?

I would be a little uaensy about insurance as well, it is a requirement.Powered by Yahoo! AnswersDavid asks…if a private tenant does not pay his rent and owes 4000 pounds can the law allow the la iv class=”dtm-content”>if a private tenant does not pay his rent and owes 4000 pounds can the law

Hi I rent an house with my friend. it is a 5 bedroom with no hmo and is only 2 of us. he would like he’s 20 years old student son to join us in the contract. it is possible ?? or he house need the hmo ??

thanks 😊

Hi Matt

My friend is wanting to rent his 2 storey 4 bedroom house to me, I will be the on the main tenancy agreement, but will be renting the other 3 rooms out, will I need to apply for a HMO?

Many Thanks

Hi Matthew, until recently I lived in a converted church steeple in central London. there were 4 rooms each with its own kitchenette. We shared 2 toilets and 2 bathrooms but no lounge or kitchen, as mentioned. Last year we had problems for almost a year in that the boiler just kept breaking down. It went on through the summer, autumn and winter. I called the environmental health at the local council and I dont know if they ever came around. Anyway, one day we we just got an notice to vacate and had to move out. When we asked why they said major renovations were needed. This was a 4 storey very tall (church steeple) with no fire escapes, and was within the year after Greenfell happened. Someone said we should be able to claim on rent as it should have been an HMO but was only ever classed as 1 flat (even though they were likes little bedsits). There were also only 4 of us there and you keep mentioning 5 or more. Do you think i’ve got a case? The trouble we went through with no hot water and then no heating, was so stressful but no compensation was offered to us.

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Hi- I am keen to purchase a 2 bedroom/ 1 bathroom property in
Wales which is a short walk to or of the universities . I’m hoping to rent this out to two students (unrelated). The agency has told me that the property doesn’t not have an HMO license. Would I require one based on the fact that I’d like to rent out to students ?
Thank you

Dear Matthew
My son lives in a student house with six others with whom he signed a joint tenancy. There is inadequate ventilation and bathing facilities at this property but can they do nothing as it is only two storey?